Which engine oil - 200tdi ?

[Embo]

I'm about to change the oil in my 200tdi Defender and would like some
advice on what brand / grade of oil people would recommend.

Also any engine treatments that people put in as well would be helpful.

Cheers,

Gavin.

[unknown]

Post by Embo
I'm about to change the oil in my 200tdi Defender and would like some
advice on what brand / grade of oil people would recommend.
Also any engine treatments that people put in as well would be helpful.

On a 200tdi, 'oil' is thought to be an engine treatment :-)

Any fairly good general purpose 20w50 type stuff will do, unless you
have specific environmental circumstances, like very hot climate?

This engine is very tollerant of almost anything (and will run on
parafin mixed with engine oil, chip fat and any number of other
fuels). Change the filter twice as often as you change the oil and
you'll get 250K miles with ease on cheap engine oil.

[fanie]

I am not sure of the situtaion in the UK, but here in South africa all
oils are defnintely not equal. Via a contact in Mobile I understand
that the diesel lube 700, is most commonly used by big trucks etc, and
is not prone to breaking down and loosing viscosity as time passes.

Agip, which I have always associated with Ferrari etc and would have
thought was pretty good, is actially blended in a very back-yard type
operation and whatever specs it carries are probably dubious at best.

This Huw fellow seems to know what he is on about and has good local
knowledge and I would follow his suggestions. Annecdotally, I
understand that the oils you use can have a huge influence on the
engine life and more particularly when you engine is subjeted to heavy
use, eg towing, high temps and high engine speeds.

Regards
Stephen

Post by unknown

Post by Embo
I'm about to change the oil in my 200tdi Defender and would like some
advice on what brand / grade of oil people would recommend.
Also any engine treatments that people put in as well would be helpful.

On a 200tdi, 'oil' is thought to be an engine treatment :-)
Any fairly good general purpose 20w50 type stuff will do, unless you
have specific environmental circumstances, like very hot climate?
This engine is very tollerant of almost anything (and will run on
parafin mixed with engine oil, chip fat and any number of other
fuels). Change the filter twice as often as you change the oil and
you'll get 250K miles with ease on cheap engine oil.

[William Tasso]

Post by fanie
...
Annecdotally, I
understand that the oils you use can have a huge influence on the
engine life and more particularly when you engine is subjeted to heavy
use, eg towing, high temps and high engine speeds.

As a metter of interest, I wonder what constitutes 'high engine speed' in
a Land Rover?

4000rpm? less? more?

[Austin Shackles]

On or around Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:15:30 +0100, "William Tasso"

Post by William Tasso

Post by fanie
...
Annecdotally, I
understand that the oils you use can have a huge influence on the
engine life and more particularly when you engine is subjeted to heavy
use, eg towing, high temps and high engine speeds.

As a metter of interest, I wonder what constitutes 'high engine speed' in
a Land Rover?
4000rpm? less? more?

Tdi is tuned to 4500 max ISTR. You don't normally run 'em that fast though,
without ear defenders :-)

[Huw]

Post by Embo
I'm about to change the oil in my 200tdi Defender and would like some
advice on what brand / grade of oil people would recommend.

The official advice from launch of the TDi was to use oil to a minimum of
the then current CCMC D5 which was the first SHPD oil. This rating is
equivilent to the current ACEA E2 but the better spec E3 is so much better
and so common these days that there is no excuse for using anything else.
The viscosity should be 10w/30 or 15w/40.
E3 is about equal to API CH4 so you can use any oil with any of these specs
with total confidence. Just any oil will not do. At the very least it must
be an oil suitable for diesel engines. Not all oils are by a long chalk.

Huw

[Nige]

Post by Huw

Post by Embo
I'm about to change the oil in my 200tdi Defender and would like
some advice on what brand / grade of oil people would recommend.

The official advice from launch of the TDi was to use oil to a
minimum of the then current CCMC D5 which was the first SHPD oil.
This rating is equivilent to the current ACEA E2 but the better
spec E3 is so much better and so common these days that there is no
excuse for using anything else. The viscosity should be 10w/30 or
15w/40. E3 is about equal to API CH4 so you can use any oil with any of
these specs with total confidence. Just any oil will not do. At the
very least it must be an oil suitable for diesel engines. Not all
oils are by a long chalk.
Huw

Are you sure about that?

;)

Nige

[Huw]

Post by Nige

Post by Huw

Post by Embo
I'm about to change the oil in my 200tdi Defender and would like
some advice on what brand / grade of oil people would recommend.

The official advice from launch of the TDi was to use oil to a
minimum of the then current CCMC D5 which was the first SHPD oil.
This rating is equivilent to the current ACEA E2 but the better
spec E3 is so much better and so common these days that there is no
excuse for using anything else. The viscosity should be 10w/30 or
15w/40. E3 is about equal to API CH4 so you can use any oil with any of
these specs with total confidence. Just any oil will not do. At the
very least it must be an oil suitable for diesel engines. Not all
oils are by a long chalk.
Huw

Are you sure about that?
;)

Absolutely! I had Discovery built in the first six months of production in
1990.

Huw

[Tom Woods]

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:17:55 +0100, "Nige"

Post by Nige
Are you sure about that?

I got a bit lost after about the 5th acronym ;)

[Huw]

Post by Tom Woods
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:17:55 +0100, "Nige"

Post by Nige
Are you sure about that?

I got a bit lost after about the 5th acronym ;)

Hmm. They are not really acronyms. They are the names of the Standards set
for oil performance. API is the American Petroleum Institute while ACEA is
something like European Engine Constructers Agency or similar, in French of
course. The codes are the actual standard names or in the case of Mercedes
the sheet or page numbers where the standard is detailed.

In the TDi case, I happen to know that a lesser oil than ACEA E2 is fine but
not for 6000 miles of use. Again I have to emphasise that any oil used
should have an appropriate diesel rating or standard.

Huw

[Dougal]

Post by Huw

Post by Tom Woods
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:17:55 +0100, "Nige"

Post by Nige
Are you sure about that?

I got a bit lost after about the 5th acronym ;)

Hmm. They are not really acronyms. They are the names of the Standards set
for oil performance. API is the American Petroleum Institute while ACEA is
something like European Engine Constructers Agency or similar, in French of
course. The codes are the actual standard names or in the case of Mercedes
the sheet or page numbers where the standard is detailed.
In the TDi case, I happen to know that a lesser oil than ACEA E2 is fine but
not for 6000 miles of use. Again I have to emphasise that any oil used
should have an appropriate diesel rating or standard.
Huw

Association des Constructeurs Européens d’Automobiles

Read all about it:
http://tinyurl.com/pb42b

Despite this coming from the horse's mouth, so to speak, it seems
somewhat out of date - no E3 for example.

[Huw]

Post by Huw

Post by Tom Woods
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:17:55 +0100, "Nige"

Post by Nige
Are you sure about that?

I got a bit lost after about the 5th acronym ;)

Hmm. They are not really acronyms. They are the names of the Standards
set for oil performance. API is the American Petroleum Institute while
ACEA is something like European Engine Constructers Agency or similar, in
French of course. The codes are the actual standard names or in the case
of Mercedes the sheet or page numbers where the standard is detailed.
In the TDi case, I happen to know that a lesser oil than ACEA E2 is fine
but not for 6000 miles of use. Again I have to emphasise that any oil
used should have an appropriate diesel rating or standard.
Huw

Association des Constructeurs Européens d’Automobiles
http://tinyurl.com/pb42b
Despite this coming from the horse's mouth, so to speak, it seems somewhat
out of date - no E3 for example.

E3 is a 1996 specification if I remember correctly and is still current but
likely to be superseded by similar but emmisionised specification.

E4 is what I would call an Ultra High Performance Diesel oil or UHPD rather
than the now pretty normal SHPD ACEA E3 specification.

E6 oils are UHPD emissionised oils otherwise similar in performance to E4 or
E5.
E6 is the oil to be used with urea injection or 'Blutec'.

Huw

[Derek]

Post by Embo
I'm about to change the oil in my 200tdi Defender and would like some
advice on what brand / grade of oil people would recommend.
Also any engine treatments that people put in as well would be helpful.
Cheers,
Gavin.

I buy mine from Unipart- fleet turbo diesel approved 15w40 around £27 per 5
gall drum (if you turn up in overalls)
Derek

[fanie]

Post by Derek
I buy mine from Unipart- fleet turbo diesel approved 15w40 around £27 per 5
gall drum (if you turn up in overalls)
Derek

Do you ever drive a Landrover in anything else?

Regards
Stephen

[Derek]

Post by fanie

Post by Derek
I buy mine from Unipart- fleet turbo diesel approved 15w40 around £27 per 5
gall drum (if you turn up in overalls)
Derek

Do you ever drive a Landrover in anything else?
Regards
Stephen

this weather shorts!
Derek

[Austin Shackles]

On or around Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:35:11 GMT, "Derek"

Post by Derek

Post by Embo
I'm about to change the oil in my 200tdi Defender and would like some
advice on what brand / grade of oil people would recommend.
Also any engine treatments that people put in as well would be helpful.
Cheers,
Gavin.

I buy mine from Unipart- fleet turbo diesel approved 15w40 around £27 per 5
gall drum (if you turn up in overalls)
Derek

Mine have been running on Q8 tractor oil. Modern tractors are high-tec
these days, and the oil follows suit: 15:40 API CH4 and ACEA E3 from memory,
plus a raft of other standards. Main reason is the price: local agri
merchant sells it for about the same price as above, for a 25 litre drum.
The 3.5 V8 in the dicso didn't mind it in normal UK weather either, though
I'd have been a bit wary in the heat we've just had.

[Embo]

Post by Derek
I buy mine from Unipart- fleet turbo diesel approved 15w40 around £27 per 5
gall drum (if you turn up in overalls)
Derek

Derek,

Do you get it from one of their Car Care Centres, or is through a
bigger depot type place?

Cheers,

Gavin.

[Dougal]

Post by Embo

Post by Derek
I buy mine from Unipart- fleet turbo diesel approved 15w40 around £27 per 5
gall drum (if you turn up in overalls)
Derek

Derek,
Do you get it from one of their Car Care Centres, or is through a
bigger depot type place?
Cheers,
Gavin.

Partco

[Derek]

Post by Derek
I buy mine from Unipart- fleet turbo diesel approved 15w40 around £27 per 5
gall drum (if you turn up in overalls)
Derek

Derek,

Do you get it from one of their Car Care Centres, or is through a
bigger depot type place?

Cheers,

Gavin.

The large depot on Kingstown Industrial estate in Carlisle handy as I
deliver round the corner a couple of times a week.
Derek

[Embo]

Derek,

I think they've a depot in Oldham. Do you just turn up on spec ?

Gavin.

[Derek]

Post by Embo
Derek,
I think they've a depot in Oldham. Do you just turn up on spec ?
Gavin.

yes they have a trade counter in Calisle always plenty instock, plenty of
other gear too I bought a pack of brake pipe ends pack of 10 cost about the
same as 2 in Halfrauds blister pack but remember for fixings and small items
the packs are bigger than retail makes sense really
Derek

[Embo]

Derek,

Cheers for that, think I might put together a shopping list and pop
over to the Oldham branch !

Gavin.

[beamendsltd]

Post by Embo
I'm about to change the oil in my 200tdi Defender and would like some
advice on what brand / grade of oil people would recommend.
Also any engine treatments that people put in as well would be helpful.
Cheers,
Gavin.

Anything between 10w/40 and 20w/50 will do - the actual "part number"
oil is 15w/40 for Europe, but personaly I go for 20w/50 (260,000 miles).
Avoid the very cheap supermarket oil (there's nothing wrong with it, it
just doesn't have the scrbbers etc in it that a Good Thing with
turbo diesels). There may be some merit in using an engine flush
before an oil change, but most modern oils already have the scrubbers
etc in.

We sell Morris Oil, because it's sensibly priced and good quality -
very poular amongst fleet operators in these parts. And it's made
in the UK.

Richard

[Steve Taylor]

Post by beamendsltd
We sell Morris Oil, because it's sensibly priced and good quality -
very poular amongst fleet operators in these parts. And it's made
in the UK.

...and tested on British test gear.
But to meet ACEA specs, all oil has to be tested on British test gear....

Steve
@ravenfield.com

[Embo]

Thanks for the advice everyone, it is much appreciated.

On the subject of flushing the engine, I've never actually done
that.........what's involved ?

Gavin.

[beamendsltd]

Post by Embo
Thanks for the advice everyone, it is much appreciated.
On the subject of flushing the engine, I've never actually done
that.........what's involved ?
Gavin.

It varies slightly from product to product, but basically you
pour some of it in, idle the engine for a while, then change
the oil as normal. According to the publicity photos, your
engine will then be geaming inside with not a trace of muck
anywhere ;-)

Richard

[David G. Bell]

Post by beamendsltd

Post by Embo
Thanks for the advice everyone, it is much appreciated.
On the subject of flushing the engine, I've never actually done
that.........what's involved ?
Gavin.

It varies slightly from product to product, but basically you
pour some of it in, idle the engine for a while, then change
the oil as normal. According to the publicity photos, your
engine will then be geaming inside with not a trace of muck
anywhere ;-)

My father will tell you the story of what happened when detergent oils
were first being used in lorry engines, rather expensive and only for
new engines, A drum vanished from a haulage yard, and a couple of weeks
later one of the local wide boys was looking for a new engine for his
car--not a trace of dirt, but obviously the oil-pressure warning switch
had stuck. Oil level correct, oil pump working, but the light had stayed
on....

[Huw]

"beamendsltd" >

Post by beamendsltd
We sell Morris Oil, because it's sensibly priced and good quality -
very poular amongst fleet operators in these parts. And it's made
in the UK.

In that case the correct product is Ring Free 15w/40 which meets both API
CH4 and ACEA E3 [theoretical 45000km oil in truck parlance]

Huw

[beamendsltd]

Post by Huw
"beamendsltd" >

Post by beamendsltd
We sell Morris Oil, because it's sensibly priced and good quality -
very poular amongst fleet operators in these parts. And it's made
in the UK.

In that case the correct product is Ring Free 15w/40 which meets both API
CH4 and ACEA E3 [theoretical 45000km oil in truck parlance]

Now called "Euro3 Plus Ring Free XHD 15W/40", as they also do a
15w/40 fleet oil.

The entire Morris range is on our site with links to their site which
give the full specs (.pdf) - so next time you need some oil for
your Sentinel Steam Wagon..... ;-)

Post by Huw
Huw

Richard

[Huw]

Post by beamendsltd

Post by Huw
"beamendsltd" >

Post by beamendsltd
We sell Morris Oil, because it's sensibly priced and good quality -
very poular amongst fleet operators in these parts. And it's made
in the UK.

In that case the correct product is Ring Free 15w/40 which meets both API
CH4 and ACEA E3 [theoretical 45000km oil in truck parlance]

Now called "Euro3 Plus Ring Free XHD 15W/40", as they also do a
15w/40 fleet oil.

You can still get straight Ring Free for your non emmisionised or
pre-EuroIII engine.
I know because we get it by pallet loads at a time, as you probably do.

Post by beamendsltd
The entire Morris range is on our site with links to their site which
give the full specs (.pdf) - so next time you need some oil for
your Sentinel Steam Wagon..... ;-)

Until recently my company [not actually 'mine'] was the Uk's biggest
stockist of Morris oil. Now our oil supply is split between it and another
brand for which we are main franchise dealers for their equipment over the
greater part of mid and south Wales.

Huw

[Austin Shackles]

On or around Sat, 22 Jul 2006 09:15:32 +0100, "Huw"

Post by Huw
Until recently my company [not actually 'mine'] was the Uk's biggest
stockist of Morris oil. Now our oil supply is split between it and another
brand for which we are main franchise dealers for their equipment over the
greater part of mid and south Wales.

Where, and who? (by email if you prefer). there are some oils I find
tricky to get hold of, like decent 20W50 (without paying silkolene or
suchlike).