Toylander plans have landed...

[Lee_D]

See you all some time around April.....

...nowt to do with 20 litres of Damson and Sloe Gin I've just bottled
up...hic #!?!@!

Lee D

[GrnOval]

"Lee_D" <***@NOSPAMlrproject.com> wrote in message news:***@mid.individual.net...
: See you all some time around April.....
:
: ...nowt to do with 20 litres of Damson and Sloe Gin I've just bottled
: up...hic #!?!@!
:
: Lee D

I've had mine since june, now, if I could just fix my heart and lungs enough
to be able to build it....

Si

[Derek]

Post by Lee_D
See you all some time around April.....
...nowt to do with 20 litres of Damson and Sloe Gin I've just bottled
Lee D

I trust we will be treated to photographic evidence of your endeavors I
really like the idea however my daughter is a little old for toys .
Derek

[Tom Woods]

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 22:33:26 GMT, "Derek"

Post by Derek
I trust we will be treated to photographic evidence of your endeavors I
really like the idea however my daughter is a little old for toys .

Do you ever get too old for toys? I dont plan to! :)
(if someone made me a toylander i would quite happily play with it,
though i think the drivetrain upgrades that would probably take place
could be quite scary!)

[Rich]

Post by Tom Woods
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 22:33:26 GMT, "Derek"

Post by Derek
I trust we will be treated to photographic evidence of your endeavors I
really like the idea however my daughter is a little old for toys .

Do you ever get too old for toys? I dont plan to! :)
(if someone made me a toylander i would quite happily play with it,
though i think the drivetrain upgrades that would probably take place
could be quite scary!

You never get too old, the toys just get bigger and more expensive :-)

Rich

[Nigel]

I built one of them and the j**p one

Upgrade the power plant!!!

I went to a wheelchair shop and bought a wheel chair motor, £25 and got
some second hand batteries £10 each. Worked much better! lasts about 4 or 5
hours with wheelchair motor and batteries.

Check all the measurements carefully, don't just assume the plans are OK cos
mine were not.

Nigel

Post by Lee_D
See you all some time around April.....
...nowt to do with 20 litres of Damson and Sloe Gin I've just bottled
Lee D

[Rich]

Post by Nigel
I built one of them and the j**p one
Upgrade the power plant!!!
I went to a wheelchair shop and bought a wheel chair motor, £25 and got
some second hand batteries £10 each. Worked much better! lasts about 4 or
5 hours with wheelchair motor and batteries.
Check all the measurements carefully, don't just assume the plans are OK
cos mine were not.
Nigel

Post by Lee_D
See you all some time around April.....
...nowt to do with 20 litres of Damson and Sloe Gin I've just bottled
Lee D

Have had my plans for a couple of years now and our 2 boys are now 7 and 5
so I think I need to pull my finger out otherwise I will be getting them
Landy's. I think wood is better at the moment :-) Just a thought about the
wheel chairs try to get all the control gear as well, will give gentle pull
away and slow reverse, would just be a straight swap with some adjustment to
the length of wiring.

Toylander plans and no Ply yet !!!!!!!

Rich

[GrnOval]

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: >I built one of them and the j**p one
: >
: > Upgrade the power plant!!!
: >
: > I went to a wheelchair shop and bought a wheel chair motor, £25 and got
: > some second hand batteries £10 each. Worked much better! lasts about 4
or
: > 5 hours with wheelchair motor and batteries.
: >
: > Check all the measurements carefully, don't just assume the plans are OK
: > cos mine were not.
: >
: > Nigel
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: >> See you all some time around April.....
: >>
: >> ...nowt to do with 20 litres of Damson and Sloe Gin I've just bottled
: >> up...hic #!?!@!
: >>
: >> Lee D
:
:
: Have had my plans for a couple of years now and our 2 boys are now 7 and 5
: so I think I need to pull my finger out otherwise I will be getting them
: Landy's. I think wood is better at the moment :-) Just a thought about the
: wheel chairs try to get all the control gear as well, will give gentle
pull
: away and slow reverse, would just be a straight swap with some adjustment
to
: the length of wiring.
:
: Toylander plans and no Ply yet !!!!!!!
:
: Rich

Are we going to have to have a build off? thats at least 4 of us with plans
(although I only count three toylanders)

I acquired the motors and controls out of a couple of those kids ride on
toys for a start - will be seeking out wheelchair gubbins though I feel

Si

[Nigel]

Get 2 wheelchair motors one left and one right Get a couple of batteries
while you are there (try and get the big ones).

Get the wheels and tyres from the toylander place (they ain't a bad price)
but get both rear ones with sprockets on.
Put both in the car.

Go to http://www.4qd.co.uk/ and get one of their speed controllers (totally
variable in forward and reverse)
and a pot to use as a accelerater pedal. They are very good controllers -
will even charge the batteries when braking! Motors are powerful enough to
be used as brakes.

Speed controller can be adjusted so that when the little darlings put their
foot down the motor rises slowly to full power and the same when they lift
their foot off quick. As I said very good controllers. Give the guy a ring.
Think I used the 70Amp 24volt one. Loads of info on the website.

Beef up the bit of wood the motors attach to, this was too weak.

Chains are standard bike chains so easy to source.

I made a little gear stick (bit like an automatic car) for the forward and
reverse and stuck in an indicator switch.

I also stuck an amber flashing light on a pole at the back of the cars so
people could see them!!!!!!!!

As long as the car is electric it can be used on the pavement legally.

Probably think of more

Nigel

[Rich]

Post by Nigel
Get 2 wheelchair motors one left and one right Get a couple of batteries
while you are there (try and get the big ones).
Get the wheels and tyres from the toylander place (they ain't a bad price)
but get both rear ones with sprockets on.
Put both in the car.
Go to http://www.4qd.co.uk/ and get one of their speed controllers
(totally variable in forward and reverse)
and a pot to use as a accelerater pedal. They are very good controllers -
will even charge the batteries when braking! Motors are powerful enough to
be used as brakes.
Speed controller can be adjusted so that when the little darlings put
their foot down the motor rises slowly to full power and the same when
they lift their foot off quick. As I said very good controllers. Give the
guy a ring. Think I used the 70Amp 24volt one. Loads of info on the
website.
Beef up the bit of wood the motors attach to, this was too weak.
Chains are standard bike chains so easy to source.
I made a little gear stick (bit like an automatic car) for the forward and
reverse and stuck in an indicator switch.
I also stuck an amber flashing light on a pole at the back of the cars so
people could see them!!!!!!!!
As long as the car is electric it can be used on the pavement legally.
Probably think of more
Nigel

Ho Ho is that a bit of a challenge then :-))

What do you intend to use as they say about mdf as it is smoother but in my
experience mdf outside is well naff ? I wood like to use exterior ply !

Another project looming I see

Rich

[Lee_D]

Post by Rich
Ho Ho is that a bit of a challenge then :-))
What do you intend to use as they say about mdf as it is smoother but
in my experience mdf outside is well naff ? I wood like to use
exterior ply !
Another project looming I see
Rich

I'm with the Ply..... so would an auto not be allowed? Do we need to set up
a wooden arc to make sure any trials are fair? (ARK... geddit!)

:-)

Lee D

[Nigel]

I used 12 mm mdf cover it with paint and it is fine. The finish you get with
mdf is much better than ply and no splinters. Just watch out for the health
and safety man.

And make the bumpers VERY strong the little darlings are crap drivers!

Nigel

Post by Lee_D

Post by Rich
Ho Ho is that a bit of a challenge then :-))
What do you intend to use as they say about mdf as it is smoother but
in my experience mdf outside is well naff ? I wood like to use
exterior ply !
Another project looming I see
Rich

I'm with the Ply..... so would an auto not be allowed? Do we need to set
up a wooden arc to make sure any trials are fair? (ARK... geddit!)
:-)
Lee D

[Richard Brookman]

Rich wrote:

|| What do you intend to use as they say about mdf as it is smoother
|| but in my experience mdf outside is well naff ? I wood like to use
|| exterior ply !
||
|| Another project looming I see
||
|| Rich

If it's going to be left outside, don't use MDF - it's horrible when it gets
wet, and IME it's impossible to waterproof it with any coating known to man.
WBP plywood (weather and boil proof ISTR) or marine ply is the best bet. A
little heavier, but much more able to withstand knocks and scrapes. I've
got untreated WBP stuff outside that seems to be lasting for years. If
you've got access to a router*, use a chamfer cutter on all exposed edges -
a couple of mil will do - and kill the edges with sandpaper. Saves
splinters going into little fingers. Going round all the edges with a 45deg
chamfer cutter on the finished article creates some interesting effects in
the corners.

* Does anyone else who does woodwork and uses a computer get really confused
by this word? I always use the wrong pronunciation, whichever 'router' I am
referring to.

[William Tasso]

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 21:14:27 -0000, Richard Brookman

...
router* ...
* Does anyone else who does woodwork and uses a computer get really confused
by this word?

Not when I use them, but listening to customers I sometimes get the idea
they're not sure of the difference :)

I always use the wrong pronunciation, whichever 'router' I am
referring to.

Ahh yes - there is that too. I can't say it as 'r-ow-ta' - sounds like
something you would send into Cleethorpes to remove a rabble of rowdy
revellers on a late Friday.

[steve Taylor]

Post by Rich
What do you intend to use as they say about mdf as it is smoother but in my
experience mdf outside is well naff ? I wood like to use exterior ply !

MDF is heavier and not as strong, weight for weight, either.


Steve

[Rich]

Post by steve Taylor

Post by Rich
What do you intend to use as they say about mdf as it is smoother but in
my experience mdf outside is well naff ? I wood like to use exterior ply
!

MDF is heavier and not as strong, weight for weight, either.
Steve

Yep I am with the ply or I suppose you could use steel :-) bit silly though
.....

So 4 leky motors one for each wheel Hmmmm 4 wheel drive, come on bring on
the mud, might scale one up a bit for me,he he he oops that should have been
Ho Ho Ho ( Christmas sprit and all that )

By the Merry Christmas to all out there and thanks for all the advice over
the past year....

" Toylander and several other projects all on the go at once
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr."

Rich

[steve]

Post by Rich
So 4 leky motors one for each wheel Hmmmm 4 wheel drive, come on bring on
the mud, might scale one up a bit for me,he he he oops that should have been
Ho Ho Ho ( Christmas sprit and all that )

Trouble with that is you'll have fun driving the front wheels I suspect.
I toyed with a 4WD 101 model, but the transmission was getting expensive.

Steve

[Lee_D]

Post by steve

Post by Rich
So 4 leky motors one for each wheel Hmmmm 4 wheel drive, come on
bring on the mud, might scale one up a bit for me,he he he oops that
should have been Ho Ho Ho ( Christmas sprit and all that )

Trouble with that is you'll have fun driving the front wheels I
suspect. I toyed with a 4WD 101 model, but the transmission was
getting expensive.
Steve

Suppose the thing is to remember that it's a toy, and draw a line under
4x4.... Thats for the S1 next year :-)

Lee D

[William Tasso]

On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:30:36 -0000, Lee_D

Post by Lee_D

Post by steve

Post by Rich
So 4 leky motors one for each wheel Hmmmm 4 wheel drive, come on
bring on the mud, might scale one up a bit for me,he he he oops that
should have been Ho Ho Ho ( Christmas sprit and all that )

Trouble with that is you'll have fun driving the front wheels I
suspect. I toyed with a 4WD 101 model, but the transmission was
getting expensive.
Steve

Suppose the thing is to remember that it's a toy

yes. and ... it's all about toys isn't it?

Post by Lee_D
and draw a line under 4x4....

heh

Post by Lee_D
Thats for the S1 next year :-)

classic or hybrid?

[Colin Reed]

Check all the measurements carefully, don't just assume the plans are OK cos mine were not.

We had the same problem with our plans too. If I were making another
one I'd transfer the measurements from the plans onto the board -
making sure everything was parallel and square, especially the base.
Compare measurements with completed sections during the build and you
wont go to far wrong. We used WBP ply which took a lot of filling and
sanding to get a good finish, but I would choose that material again
over MDF. I've put some pictures of our build so far onto the following
webpage

http://www.reedx.net/landrover/misc/toylander/index.htm

Nigel, I've had a look at the 4QD website but it's got me baffled. Is
there a controller model you can recommend for either a 12 or 24 volt
application?, I haven't decided which way to go yet but your wheelchair
motor idea sounds promising. I was initially going to go with the RLT
bespoke motor but now I will rethink this.

Colin

[Nigel]

Hi Colin

I was looking at the site trying to remember the speed controller I used. It
was the NCC 70 which is now called the VTX. I got the boxed one and also the
'pot' which I bodged to a pedal for the accelerator.

I remember it being about £70 so must be the VTX 40 24. Give the guy a ring,
he was very helpful when I rang him.

I did have a single RLT motor in to start with but this was underpowered. I
changed to twin wheel chair motors and it could carry my 6' 5" 18 stone mass
up quite steep hills!

If you think about it a real wheel chair has to carry a sometimes heavy
person around all day

I also ended up fixing the windscreen in the upright position as it was used
as a handle for climbing in and out of the car.

I would like to stress again the bit about making the bumpers VERY strong
the little darlings are very poor drivers and it will protect the car.


Nigel

Post by Colin Reed

Post by Nigel
Check all the measurements carefully, don't just assume the plans are OK
cos mine were not.

We had the same problem with our plans too. If I were making another
one I'd transfer the measurements from the plans onto the board -
making sure everything was parallel and square, especially the base.
Compare measurements with completed sections during the build and you
wont go to far wrong. We used WBP ply which took a lot of filling and
sanding to get a good finish, but I would choose that material again
over MDF. I've put some pictures of our build so far onto the following
webpage
http://www.reedx.net/landrover/misc/toylander/index.htm
Nigel, I've had a look at the 4QD website but it's got me baffled. Is
there a controller model you can recommend for either a 12 or 24 volt
application?, I haven't decided which way to go yet but your wheelchair
motor idea sounds promising. I was initially going to go with the RLT
bespoke motor but now I will rethink this.
Colin

[Colin Reed]

Thanks for looking that one up Nigel, I've got a few more questions if
you don't mind :-)

I assume you've got your 2 x 24volt motors wired in parallel to the 24v
controller? Do you think the controller would be OK to use with one
wheelchair motor initially, adding a second if required, or do you
think it would be too powerful?

I've had a look for wheelchair motors online and have found the
following

http://www.powerscoots.co.uk/acatalog/Motors.html

The no load speeds sound a little high, but then again I'm not sure
what I should be looking for spec wise from a 24v wheelchair motor.

You wouldn't have any photos of your motor/wiring/controller set up
would you?

I will make sure the bumpers are very strong and am also planning to
fit a remote control "kill switch". The last thing I want is to watch
the TL heading towards the neighbours BMW with me too far away to do
anything about it.....

Colin

[Ian Rawlings]

Post by Colin Reed
and am also planning to
fit a remote control "kill switch". The last thing I want is to watch
the TL heading towards the neighbours BMW with me too far away to do
anything about it.....

Use 50Hz mains-powered motors so he has to be plugged into a socket ;-)

[Ian Rawlings]

Post by Colin Reed
Thanks for looking that one up Nigel, I've got a few more questions if
you don't mind :-)

http://www.woolworths.co.uk/ww_p2/product/index.jhtml?pid=50762060

Electric buggies from Woolworths for £200 at the moment. Might be
worth checking out for parts donation, may end up cheaper!